Last weekend my friend Tara and I ran the Carlsbad Marathon together. Our primary goal was to get Tara to a PR finish of 4:20, and our secondary goal was to finish before 4:30. To prepare for the race we did several of our long runs together including our 20 mile run. We were running right around a 10:00 pace each time, and knowing that Tara was a sub 2:00 half marathoner, I thought we'd have no problem finishing around 4:20.
When we started out running we saw both a 4:15 pacer and a 4:30 pacer, and spent the majority of the race between the two. Somewhere around mile 20 though when we were running right around a 10:00 pace, the 4:30 pacer slowly crept by us, and continued off into the distance. In my own running history, the moment I'm passed by the pacer whose time I want to beat, I feel like crying. Instead of picking up the pace and fighting harder, I instantly want to give up. When I saw the pacer go by I looked at Tara's face and she looked devastated. I was really confused though because I didn't think we were on track to finish after 4:30. I looked at my watch and did some math and told Tara he must have been running too fast. She didn't seem convinced so I asked her to look at her watch too. Her watch showed an elapsed time of 3:20, we were running about a 10 minute pace, and we had 6 miles to go. 3:20ish plus 60ish minutes does not equal more than 4:30. Once I had convinced her that the pacer was ahead of pace, she seemed comforted a bit, but I still worried that this was going to slowly erode into her confidence.
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After the race a friend of Tara's pointed out a post by the pacer on a message board about his plan to finish in 4:22 right from the start, based on the decision that he and his pace group runners made. Wait a minute, he planned to run a 4:22 from the start while still holding the 4:30 sign? According to the Carlsbad Marathon pace page on their website "Pace group leaders run a steady pace throughout the race so members of their group are able to finish the marathon or half marathon in the projected finish time for that group."
I think a page from the Albany marathon explains the importance of a pacer best:
"A pace team is a group of runners led by an experienced leader who run together in the marathon. The pace leader runs a steady pace and keeps track of that pace so that the group can achieve their goal of finishing the marathon at a particular time. There are wonderful benefits of running with a pace group. You’ll be supported by a cheerful leader and will be side by side with other runners sharing the same goal as you. One of the biggest mistakes that marathoners make is starting out too fast and then hitting the wall in the later portions of the race. The pace team will run at an even pace per mile. If the pace feels too slow in the beginning of the race that’s normal. Just stay with the group and ask the pace leader about an appropriate strategy for the second half. If you find the pace too fast in the early miles, then slow down and drop back from the team so you’ll be able to finish the race."
A sobering statistic about those who run with a pacer though from this article on "The Day in the Life of a Marathon Pace Leader":
I think a page from the Albany marathon explains the importance of a pacer best:
"A pace team is a group of runners led by an experienced leader who run together in the marathon. The pace leader runs a steady pace and keeps track of that pace so that the group can achieve their goal of finishing the marathon at a particular time. There are wonderful benefits of running with a pace group. You’ll be supported by a cheerful leader and will be side by side with other runners sharing the same goal as you. One of the biggest mistakes that marathoners make is starting out too fast and then hitting the wall in the later portions of the race. The pace team will run at an even pace per mile. If the pace feels too slow in the beginning of the race that’s normal. Just stay with the group and ask the pace leader about an appropriate strategy for the second half. If you find the pace too fast in the early miles, then slow down and drop back from the team so you’ll be able to finish the race."
A sobering statistic about those who run with a pacer though from this article on "The Day in the Life of a Marathon Pace Leader":
"Seventy-five percent of the runners who start with a particular pacer won't go on to finish with the group. Some will go ahead, and a few are forced to drop back. It's not usually a problem with the pacer, but with the runner's expectations. Some people who choose to run with a pace group are pushing themselves to the limit, trying to reach a goal that they aren't yet ready to achieve. But when they do make it, the rewards are spectacular."
Here is the strategy that this pacer had per his post on a Runner's World forum:
I ran the full and was the 4:30 pacer.
My role as a pacer was still up in the air five minutes before the race when the guy in charge of meeting the pacers with the pace sticks was a no show. He had arranged a 4:45am meet at the start yet looked like he had just rolled out of bed when he finally arrived five minutes before the race start.
With only five minutes to spare, it didn't allow for much time for a group to assemble but about 10 runners started out with me and I told them my strategy of being about a couple minutes fast going into the big Mile 9 climb and running pretty even splits and everyone seemed on board.
However, going into the Mile 9 climb, when I told the group we'd be slowing, the thuggish group commandeered the ship and most of them voiced in that they liked the pace we were going and wanted to continue at that pace. Not wanting to look like a Nazi, I allowed democracy to prevail and we kept our pace constant and reached the half marathon point around 2:11:30.
There was a funny split point at Mile 16 of the marathon / Mile 7 of the half marathon where a few marathon runners went the wrong way with the half marathoners and at least one of my runner friends ended up with a DQ with a 22 mile finish. It was not the best marked and with 6 half marathoners for each marathoner, I see how some of the marathoners could have missed the sign and a few people in my own group thanked me for guiding them the right way saying they were preparing to turn to the left with the masses but instead followed the 4:30 pace sign.
Of the original 10, however, by the time we hit Mile 20, only about 5 of them remained. By Mile 24, a couple of them had raced ahead, a couple had fallen back and just one lone runner and I remained. By Mile 25, the lone runner confessed that she couldn't believe she was still running at this pace and that she usually runs this pace in single digit training runs but never thought she'd be able to maintain a 4:30 pace the whole race, yet less the 4:22 pace that we were on.
Crossed the finish line in 4:22:03 (chip) and helped a couple runners to times that must have been 4:20 or 4:21 and the sole hanger on to a 4:22:05 finish and even though it was just the two of us by the end, it was greatly gratifying to be able to help her far far far surpass her goal and complete her first marathon.
Felt great after the marathon and looking forward to the next pacing gig at Surf City (4:40). Hopefully, there is a less thuggish group in this race that will follow the script instead of demanding a re-write.
(from a followup post)
Trust me, had I been able to cross out 4:30 mid race and put in 4:22, I would've done it. But, each runner has a certain responsibility to know her/his given pace and it does not require rocket science to do a little quick math.
My bigger responsibility was to my group than to other runners on the course. The few times when I was aware of other runners appearing shocked to being passed up by the 4:30 pacer, I made a point of telling them we were a few minutes fast.
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So okay, I do agree that its every runner's responsibility to do their best to judge their pace, their effort, their elapsed time, and their projected finish time. Sure you can do some "quick math" to figure it out, but since my watch had auto-paused once when I stopped to go to the bathroom, I was suddenly afraid it had auto-paused other times, and that it wasn't 2 minutes off chip time but more like 10. I can do math quite well actually, but at mile 20 in a marathon I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box. I didn't even recognize one of our GOTR coaches that we spent 3 1/2 months with when we passed her somewhere around mile 18. I mean I recognized her and smiled and waved, and then said to Tara in surprises oh, was that Debbie? (A different coach.) Tara looked at me like I had four heads and said "Um, no, that was Christine!" WHOOPS!
Anyways, I know Tara and I weren't on track to finish at 4:20, at the time the pacer passed us we were probably on track to finish in 4:22 as well, and in the end we finished at 4:30:18 because we slowed down quite a bit in the end when Tara was hurting. I understand that we ran our own race and we're responsible for our finish time. I don't think that its right that a pacer held a sign with a finish time he had no intention of meeting. Sure 8 minutes doesn't sound like much over 26 miles. Its a 18 second difference per mile. It IS a big difference though. I was fairly insulted by the backlash on the forums from the pacer and his friends about how we shouldn't have cared that the 4:30 pacer passed us and was running a 4:22 race, and I posted the question to my dailymile friends to see what others thought. I was relieved to see that I wasn't the only one that was bothered. Even if we aren't running directly WITH the pacer, we see his sign. Maybe we're trying to stay ahead of him, or behind him, or somewhere near him. We weren't blaming him for us finishing in 4:30. We finished in 4:30 because we took a few walk breaks in the end, and slowed down to 11:00 miles. There is no blame, there is just dissatisfaction. David thinks we're being silly since the guy was a volunteer and how can you be mad at someone who volunteers to do something? Point taken, but still, here are some thoughts from some other running friends.
"The guy has a responsibility to run at the pace he's given. Now, if I were to ever be a pacer, I'd come in maybe 30-60sec ahead, if only because I'm always paranoid about times and like to have a buffer.'
"Ummm...a pacer's job is to keep people at the pace they trained for, not to set some sort of PR. If I run with a pacer with hopes of going for a PR of 3:45 and he tries for 3:35 he will burn me out by mile 16!! I would be pissed."
"I agree, the pacer's job is to keep the pace at the expected time. that's what people are following him/her for. if they want to speed up, its their decision."
"I agree! Stay to your stated pace, not all of us talk to the pacer but it doesn't mean we don't use them."
"4:30 is 4:30! They should stick with that time."
"It's wrong. A pacer should run steady and hit exactly his advertised pace."
"It's definitely wrong. I don't blame you for being confused. As soon as he breaks what 'his' pace should be, he's no longer a pacer in my opinion. It sucks for the poor people who couldn't keep up to 4:22 finish. I'd be pissed if that were me."
"I agree with you but have many times seen pacer finish faster than their stick and they never seem to run a consistent pace they are all over the place"
"If other runners are counting on a pacer to help them achieve a goal, then going faster is just plain wrong. Pacers should always assume that there are others counting on them, even if they don't know who those runners are. Some may be slightly back, not want to talk during their run, etc."
"Pacers PACE, that's what they do. Totally think it's wrong to speed up to finish at an earlier time. If the people in the group want to go faster, then fricking follow a different pacer, or go on their own. I would be pissed if I were following a pacer and they did this."
"A pacer is there for a reason! People train for MONTHS for an event and they have a goal... Nobody should crush that goal or decide they can push more (if maybe they already are"
"Not cool. If you want to run faster than the pacer, PASS THE PACER. People all around them judge their times as such, even if they aren't close enough to listen to them."
"I had a pacer do something like that one time. She told us that during the downhill she was going to speed up and then get back to pace on the flat, but that averaged out to a much quicker pace than I could keep overall. :-("
"I had a pacer do something like that one time. She told us that during the downhill she was going to speed up and then get back to pace on the flat, but that averaged out to a much quicker pace than I could keep overall. :-("
I'm not trying to attack the pacer, I just feel like its false advertising to run with a pace sign that is different than your plan. Yes, I always run with my Garmin. Yes, I know how fast I need to run to hit my goal. Yes, I understand that in the end I am the one running. This won't ever change the emotions I feel as I either pass, or am passed by a pace group. Going forward I will try to pay less attention to them, but I can't say that they won't affect me mentally in some way or shape. And after all, isn't a lot of a marathon mental?
Have you ever run with a pacer?
Do you think a pacer is responsible to finish at their advertised time?








8 comments:
You have a very good point Monika. Running is mental and a constant given while you're out there. My husband knows the guy that made the map course error & was DQ at the Carlsbads. It was that runner's first marathon.
With each race you there are always lessons to learn. Unfortunately for those Carlsbad marathonrs an egotistic volunteer pacer left them behind. I bet they won't make the mistake again. Reading the pacer's postings, he seem very boastful how he only ended up with one runner, some falling behand & other's racing ahead. He claimed to have responsiblity for the group, but in the end its quite clear he failed. Shame on him.
Yeah, its great that he got the one person to a 4:22 PR ... but what about all the others he didn't get to a 4:30 .. which was what he signed up to do? I always feel great in the first half of a marathon and want to go faster, but I know I need to slow myself down so I dont burn out. I'm surprised the pacer who agree with those in the group who wanted to keep up the quicker pace.
Thanks for posting both your experience and the pacer's feedback. I think it's important to hear both sides of the story.
First a couple of takeaways:
1. It sounds like the pacer was thoroughly unhappy with his group, having used the word "thuggish" a couple times. While I find this confusing as I have never really seen gang members running a marathon, it's clear he was not happy with his group and was pretty uncomfortable. Hell, by the sounds of it, he was pissed from the start.
2. It was eventually down to him & 1 other runner. At that point he's not really a "pacer" but a 1-on-1 coach.
3. He's a volunteer. While we would all love to believe that everyone takes their jobs with 100% integrity, we know that is not the case even when people they ARE getting paid, much less when they are doing it for free.
So here's what should have happened:
Dude should have dropped his 4:30 sign part way through the race.
I have never paced, so I don't know how tough it is to just drop a sign, but you gotta do something with it. Drop it, tear off the number, pour water on it so it's blurry, whatever.
I think he deserves flack not for speeding up the pace, but for carrying a sign that was inaccurate, especially when it doesn't take that much to correct the inaccuracy IMO. He mis-represented what he was doing on the course and that caused people undue stress during what is a stressful event.
But at the end of the day, he's a volunteer. Caveat emptor and realize that they are first looking out for themselves and the people they are running with, not the course in general - especially when they are pissed at the race from the beginning.
When he decided to run a 4:22 he should have ditched the sign. I would have been upset too. I love running with a pacer. It feels so much easier to just hang on than to have to spend a lot of time staring at my watch. That being said, I trust the pacer. I figure they know what they're doing -- afterall, they are a "pacer". If the person responsible for pacing me ran 10 minutes faster that would upset me. I would be trying to hang on and would be running way too fast which would lead to hitting a wall. It's false advertisement - right?
Before a race I overheard a couple pacers saying that they probably weren't going to make their times. Like one of the people above said, if you are a pacer PACE, that is the (unpaid) job you signed up for. Don't pick a time that is faster than you've every gone. If one is trying to PR they should take that on instead of pacing.
I too have gotten a little messed up in the head when the pacer is not where I expected them to be. Sadly, I just don't count on the pacer to be on target. Would be great if they were though.
Totally totally agree that he should've ditched the sign. His strategy was to be loyal to his core group instead of the rest of the runners. His choice I suppose, he is a volunteer. I've seen a lot of pacers cross the finish line like machines right on target. its pretty impressive when they do. I admire the pacers, I'd hate to carry a sign the whole time and have people relying on me. What if you need to stop and pee? :oP
Not cool at all! I agree he should have dropped the sign, especially since he lost most of his group. I haven't run with a pace group before, but I definitely keep my eyes on them to help me gage where I'm at. i have a HUGE admiration for pacers, especially those who actually do it right!
When I wrote my race strategy for the Surf City Marathon a couple weeks ago, I was warned by 3-4 people NOT to trust the pacer. It had been my plan to run with the 3:50 pacer and I was lucky that I was warned because the 3:50 pacer didn't even come!!! But in regard to this situation, I believe the pacer should keep the pace the whole time - if he hadn't started out so fast, he probably wouldn't have dropped so many people! PS I also heard about a pacer at Carlsbad who literally threw his sign to the side of the road and ran off!
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